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From: r@your_host.com (cLIeNUX user)
Subject: Re: telnet file transfer
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:08:43 -0000
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
humbubba@smart.net
>In article <3AE1B392.CCF45BA9@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>,
>Stefan Meinlschmidt <meinlschmidt@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
>: > Better use scp, that's the whole goal of scp ;-)
>: > scp /path/to/local_file
>: > loginname@ip.of.remote.computer:/path/to/destination
>:
>: Fully agree, provided that you have it. I have a machine here with ssh
>: but with a broken scp. If you don't have ssh (and rsh/rcp) at all, you
>: can still pipe your data through a telnet session.
>:
>Again, it's not *all* you can do. Kermit is a Telnet client that can
>transfer files over its own Telnet connection:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
>
>This answers the original poster's question about how to transfer a file
>over a Telnet connection.
>
>Such questions always quickly veer off-topic when answered by "don't use
>Telnet, use ssh or scp", but let's not be too quick to condemn trusty old
>FTP and Telnet. First of all, they are not *inherently* insecure. Secure
>versions of both are available:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/telnetd.html
>
>as well as secure clients.
>
>Second, these secure versions of Telnet and FTP use reliable, standard,
>and manageable security methods such as Kerberos 4 and 5, SSL/TSL, and
>SRP, rather than SSH, which has some rather serious flaws and risks that
>everybody likes to overlook, simply because SSH is easy to install.
>It's not far off the mark to say the "easier" the security method, the
>greater the risks.
>
>Third, Telnet continues to offer many convenience features not found in
>the alternatives, via its extensive and fully standardized negotiation
>and in-band command mechanism.
>
>- Frank
What do you recommend for secure shell connections?
For those that don't know, Frank is the maintainer of C-Kermit, one of the
grand old projects on the net.
Rick Hohensee
www.clienux.com <--- small distro using C-Kermit for telnet